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Thirlmere Zipwire Proposal

Postby Lancashire Lad » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:36 pm

Re WalkLakes blog post: - https://www.walklakes.co.uk/opus52526.html

I would contend that zip wires crossing the A591 and parts of Thirlmere itself should be no more welcome than a windfarm, or a line of pylons and electricity lines would be in that area!

They can put as much marketing "spin" on this as they like, but at the end of the day it is nothing more than a profit driven proposal designed to line the pockets of Treetop Trek's owners and their families.
Treetop Trek is a private limited company, owned by its Directors, Officers, and immediate family members. (As may be seen by doing a quick Companies House check for "Treetop Trek", or "Company number 06785855".

They say that their consultations showed that most respondents were in favour of the proposal???????
Odd then, that a websearch for "Thirlmere Zipwire Proposal" brings up any number of results showing exactly the opposite! - Not least of which, Facebook page "@zipoffThirlmere", currently having over 1150 followers!

It is perfectly true that Thirlmere and its immediate environs are the result of human enterprise, but it is not just any old reservoir. It was constructed well over 100 years ago in the Victorian era. As seen today, with the benefit of passing time, the reservoir blends in perfectly with the surrounding lakeland landscape. The ongoing re-introduction of deciduous trees only serving to enhance that situation.

The Lake District is an area of outstanding natural beauty, recently accredited with World Heritage Site status. – Zipwire attractions have no place in world heritage status sites of outstanding natural beauty!!!!!

The vast majority of Lake District visitors go there to immerse themselves in the tranquillity and beauty of the landscape. – If this proposal gets the go-ahead, it will set a precedent for future schemes of similar ilk,

There are many places that would be eminently suited to such schemes, but for my money, the tranquil heart of Lake District is most definitely not one of them!

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Re: Thirlmere Zipwire Proposal

Postby Lancashire Lad » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:48 pm

I've just seen (from the Grough twitter site - ( https://twitter.com/groughmag ), and the Tweets column here on WalkLakes website, that Terry Abraham (film maker) has resigned as ambassador for the Lake District Foundation in protest against the Thirlmere zip wires.

His resignation address can be viewed on You Tube: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dow7tER ... e=youtu.be

I admire Mr Abraham's Lake District films immensely, and I admire his stance, morals, and ethics on resigning that position in protest against the Thirlmere Activity Hub planning application. - Well done that man!

In the name of what must surely be best for the future of the Lake District National Park, I hope that this latest development will receive the widest possible publicity.

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Re: Thirlmere Zipwire Proposal

Postby Lancashire Lad » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:48 pm

I've just discovered this YouTube video by Andy Beck (Artist and author of the book "The Wainwrights in Colour") in which he visits the proposed zip-wire site.

THE PROPOSED ZIP WIRE OVER THIRLMERE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flBjWU3NM68

Very thought provoking and he may well have a valid point. - Why has a wide hard surfaced road recently been built over very steep ground within the forest, and which goes almost to the very point that the proposed zip wire take-off terminal will be constructed near the summit of Fisher Crag?

Do United Utilities know something about the outcome of this planning application already?

I urge everyone to search for and view that video - It is well worth a watch.

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Re: Thirlmere Zipwire Proposal

Postby Lancashire Lad » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:38 pm

I've just read the St Johns Parish Council comments document. (One of the many documents available to view on LDNP Planning Application page in respect of this project: -
( LDNP Planning Reference: 7/2017/2298 ).

The following two points from section 89/17, "Public Participation" of that document, immediately caught my eye: -

Item 26 - "Mr Leafe Chief Executive of the LDNP is known to be in a relationship with a member of Tree Top Treks - Is this not a conflict of interests?".

An interesting question indeed!
And,
The more one reads/discovers in relation to this proposal, the more one senses the malodorous smell of things being not quite as transparent as they should be: -

Item 29, which includes: - ". . . the letter included a comment regarding the works that United Utilities have recently undertaken on the track at Fisher Crag. (a retrospective planning application is reported to have been received by the LDNPA . . . ".

Really? - A little more research confirms that the work to the track at Fisher Crag was indeed carried out prior to any planning application being submitted.
That retrospective planning application was registered as recently as December 6th !!!!!
See: - LDNPA Planning Reference: 7/2017/2307, registered 06-Dec-2017, Upgrade and improvement of existing forest track including creation of stacking areas and turning circle (retrospective).

How very convenient that this major forest track upgrade, undertaken without relevant planning permissions, ends in a turning circle that just happens to be within a few metres of the proposed western zip-wire take off point near the summit of Fisher Crag.

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Re: Thirlmere Zipwire Proposal

Postby Lancashire Lad » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:25 am

A short, (and very worthwhile reading), article on this proposal: -

Roger Smith looks at the increasingly murky background to the zipwire proposal
http://www.tgomagazine.co.uk/news/roger ... thirlmere/

I very much appreciate that WalkLakes is keeping this proposal in the headlines via its Twitter column.

But given the potential consequences for the Lake District National Park if this scheme gets approved, I'm rather surprised at the lack of other comment.

I sincerely hope that there is not a general apathy regarding this subject.
Thirlmere was created as a reservoir more than five decades prior to the establishment of National Parks.
But the way commercialism operates nowadays, if Lakeland's precious landscape gets defiled by unnecessary commercial development, it will be lost forever.

People fought long and hard to obtain National Park status for the Lake District. - Indeed, the conversion of Leatheswater/Wythburn Water (effectively two lakes joined by a narrow ford), into Thirlmere reservoir, during the 1880's-1890's, was pivotal in the later setting up of LDNP as the first of Britain's National Parks back in 1951.

The Sandford principle, which applies to Britain's National Parks states: -
"If it appears that there is a conflict between conservation and development, the National Park Authority shall attach greater weight to the purpose of conserving and enhancing the natural beauty, wildlife and cultural heritage of the area".

That principle cannot be allowed to be quietly dismissed for nothing more than profit driven commercial enterprise, by those whom we entrust to manage and conserve our National Parks for this and future generations.

We have an ever decreasing amount of truly beautiful landscape in Britain, and there will undoubtedly be more pressures put on that landscape in future times.
I urge everyone who loves the Lake District to search their conscience and decide whether a profit driven commercial scheme is worth more than the values that our National Parks stand for.

The final date for objections to this scheme is 2nd January 2018 - The offices to which those objections must be sent closes on 22nd December and doesn't open again until after the objections final date!
Send your objections to: - planning@lake-district.gov.uk and Cc to - thirlmereactivity@lakedistrict.gov.uk - Attention of Kevin Richards, Case Officer.

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Re: Thirlmere Zipwire Proposal

Postby Pmg » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:17 pm

Obviously Mike if this is allowed to go ahead in such underhand circumstances, then there is no hope for any scenic beautiful health renewing outdoors space - all will become available to monetary greed and taken to be turned into a playground. There are plenty places where this kind of activity would be fine and welcome - Thirlmere as part of a World Heritage Site and beautiful unspoiled place is not the place for this proposal. Pauline Greenhalgh
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Re: Thirlmere Zipwire Proposal

Postby ScoutScarShuffler » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:48 am

Certainly no apathy on my part but I am mind full and respect, that Walk Lakes doe`s not want to get hung up with the politics within the lakes.
Other wise I would post links to the on line petition against the zip wires, and another excellent site that is keeping folks up to date with all the current news / developements on the proposal, which of course can also be found by a little Prudent googling.
Yes I have signed the online petition and wherever possible am making people aware of it, and consider that the whole concept is a travesty and shows a complete dis - regard for everything that makes the lakes a special place for so many folk worldwide.
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Re: Thirlmere Zipwire Proposal

Postby Lancashire Lad » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:59 pm

#ScoutScarShuffler
I think that WalkLakes are happy enough for members to express their opinions on this subject openly on the forum.
Otherwise, they would not have invited people to do so, as they did at the end of their
https://www.walklakes.co.uk/opus52526.html article, to which I had linked and responded when starting this thread.

I respect the fact that everyone is entitled to their own individual opinions on such matters, even where those opinions are diametrically opposed to mine.
However, I genuinely do feel that this particular planning application could become another “pivotal” moment in the history of LDNP, (and indeed, all of Britain's National Parks), should it be approved.

I can think of no better way of phrasing my feelings on the subject than I had done above, when I said: – “I urge everyone who loves the Lake District to search their conscience and decide whether a profit driven commercial scheme is worth more than the values that our National Parks stand for”.

I would just like to mention, since you say that you have signed an online petition, that online petitions and posting on websites (even as we are doing here!), whilst they certainly give a feel for the status of general opinion, won’t affect the outcome.
Only by emailing/writing to the LDNPA will people’s opinions actually be given due consideration: -
Those email addresses are: - planning@lake-district.gov.uk and Cc to - thirlmereactivity@lakedistrict.gov.uk - Attention of Kevin Richards, Case Officer.

Please folks, make sure that you have your voice properly heard. Quite literally, the future of LDNP as we know it might depend on it!
One final comment – Since writing my post above, I understand that the closing date for comments has been extended to 12th January.


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Re: Thirlmere Zipwire Proposal

Postby beth » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:20 pm

I think that WalkLakes are happy enough for members to express their opinions on this subject openly on the forum.


Absolutely.

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Re: Thirlmere Zipwire Proposal

Postby ScoutScarShuffler » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:35 pm

Lancashire Lad wrote:#ScoutScarShuffler
I think that WalkLakes are happy enough for members to express their opinions on this subject openly on the forum.
Otherwise, they would not have invited people to do so, as they did at the end of their
https://www.walklakes.co.uk/opus52526.html article, to which I had linked and responded when starting this thread.

I respect the fact that everyone is entitled to their own individual opinions on such matters, even where those opinions are diametrically opposed to mine.
However, I genuinely do feel that this particular planning application could become another “pivotal” moment in the history of LDNP, (and indeed, all of Britain's National Parks), should it be approved.

I can think of no better way of phrasing my feelings on the subject than I had done above, when I said: – “I urge everyone who loves the Lake District to search their conscience and decide whether a profit driven commercial scheme is worth more than the values that our National Parks stand for”.

I would just like to mention, since you say that you have signed an online petition, that online petitions and posting on websites (even as we are doing here!), whilst they certainly give a feel for the status of general opinion, won’t affect the outcome.
Only by emailing/writing to the LDNPA will people’s opinions actually be given due consideration: -
Those email addresses are: - planning@lake-district.gov.uk and Cc to - thirlmereactivity@lakedistrict.gov.uk - Attention of Kevin Richards, Case Officer.

Please folks, make sure that you have your voice properly heard. Quite literally, the future of LDNP as we know it might depend on it!
One final comment – Since writing my post above, I understand that the closing date for comments has been extended to 12th January.


Regards,
Mike.


Hi Mike I agree with all your comments and yes I have sent the appropriate letters to all the necessary parties, and I am aware that most things online such as Petitions etc are of little regard but they are good for spreading a message.

I feel that online is a very good medium for drawing peoples attention to situations and keeping issues fresh in peoples minds, after all in our modern society there is a percentage of people that only learn or read of things on line.

With something as diabolical as the potential Thirlmere Zipwires I strongly feel that all avenues should be utilised to make the voices of those that object heard, in the hope that the appropriate authorities are made to take notice.


This from this weeks Westmorland Gazette http://www.thewestmorlandgazette.co.uk/news/15601590.First_images_depicting_proposed_Thirlmere_zip_wires_released/

This from Grough :-
https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2017/12/21/national-trust-and-actor-caroline-quentin-latest-opponents-of-thirlmere-zipwires

This Page that has up to date information http://zipoff.org/



Merry Christmas to you all and lets hope for a Zip wire free new year :)


P.S. the online Petition can found here https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/say-no-to-zip-wires-across-thirlmere?source=facebook-share-button&time=1511534681 ;)
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